Posted Nov 16, 2008 at 09:45AM by Isaac C.
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 It's the question long-time gamers keep asking about the Wii: "where the hell are the hardcore games?"Here's your answer. According to Nintendo of America prez Reggie Fils-Aime, "instead of competing for the very best players, we decided to shoot for the most players." Well. A tiny piece of my Zelda heart just broke. Personally, I may enjoy mowing down aliens and saving the world, but I have to acknowledge that not everyone has the same sense as mine for their entertainment. Yeah, you acknowledged the part of the gaming population who think Wii Sports is the height of video gaming. Where's the love? [Games like Nintendogs, Brain Age and Wii Fit are revolutionary titles that] question the very definition of a video game, and they're also changing the way we look at the software business. [...] Wider appeal can also translate to longer appeal and maybe even to better appeal. Translation: you'll like whatever we give you because everyone likes it too, so shut it. He concluded with: If there were journalists here today from core gamer sites, they'd be grousing, 'yeah, well what about us?' So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia. Saying this, he cited games like Punch Out!, Sin and Punishment, and The Conduit. Ports and a third-party game. Not exactly what I'd call dedication to core gamers. |
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by BIH - 2008-11-16 |
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» You're Kidding right?
Thats loyalty for ya from Nintendo abandoning the very gamers that kept them alfloat. Its a joke, very very very few games on the Wii are even worth playing.
Good that there raking in the money now theyll need it in a few years...
Now im going back to play on my 360 which has games worth playing.
PS:Im not a fanboy just a pissed of Wii owner with nothing to play.
Thats loyalty for ya from Nintendo abandoning the very gamers that kept them alfloat. Its a joke, very very very few games on the Wii are even worth playing.
Good that there raking in the money now theyll need it in a few years...
Now im going back to play on my 360 which has games worth playing.
PS:Im not a fanboy just a pissed of Wii owner with nothing to play.
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Re: yworob - 2008-11-17 |
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» Nintendo sucks.
It pisses me off that they refuse to even try to make games for other users to enjoy. I bought my Wii years ago because I just assumed that they would make at least some games that were for a mature audience besides all of the family titles. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo cant make games for both genres, they just refuse to do so. I am probably going to sell my Wii because Nintendo obviously doesnt care about me or other gamers like me.
It pisses me off that they refuse to even try to make games for other users to enjoy. I bought my Wii years ago because I just assumed that they would make at least some games that were for a mature audience besides all of the family titles. There is absolutely no reason why Nintendo cant make games for both genres, they just refuse to do so. I am probably going to sell my Wii because Nintendo obviously doesnt care about me or other gamers like me.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"I just assumed that they would make at least some games that were for a mature audience"
1. Why would you assume that? Nintendo has never been about ADULT/MATURE titles.
2. They do/will have a few. Wish granted!
"I just assumed that they would make at least some games that were for a mature audience"
1. Why would you assume that? Nintendo has never been about ADULT/MATURE titles.
2. They do/will have a few. Wish granted!
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by RavenSPe - 2008-11-16 |
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» neah sa huh.. so.. umm
WHAT!!??
WHAT!!??
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by whaleshark - 2008-11-16 |
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» That
Thats just *****ing messed up. I have ALWAYS been a fan of Nintendo. UNTIL THE WII. They just took all their hardcore gamers and said "shut up" And made a bunch of *****TY 3rd PARTY GAMES.
WHAT HAPPENED? I loved super Mario galaxy, I loved Metroid Prime: Corruption.
But then, hell that worked. Why not try to make CASUAL GAMES? Thats what Nintendo said. They said ***** THE THINGS THAT WORK. Lets go try something NEW. And that was a DUMB decision. And if this is their response, then ***** them. This just pisses me off. Its about the consumer. What they like. And we like GOOD games. They said ***** the hardcore gamers, We need MORE. And they got More. But they lost some. And I am sad to say that I am in that percentage. And I know I will get flamed, and My star rating will just be bombarded. But Cut a gamer some slack.
We do not pay for a casual game. We do not pay for a game that is related to everyday life.
We pay for games that make us IMAGINE.
We pay for games that are ORIGINAL.
The games today are supposed to inspire people to think. To imagine. Games like Little Big Planet, And Gears of War 2, where Whole other universes are introduced. That inspires imagination and thought. Not these casual games that are just mini games in a box. Its terrible. And it sickens me to see that Nintendo is willing to throw all the hardcore gamers away for money. Thats what they did.
They took their fan-base, looked at it and said:
We need more.
We need more games.
We need more consoles.
We need more MONEY.
And sadly, as this quote states, They believe in quantity over quality.
Thats just *****ing messed up. I have ALWAYS been a fan of Nintendo. UNTIL THE WII. They just took all their hardcore gamers and said "shut up" And made a bunch of *****TY 3rd PARTY GAMES.
WHAT HAPPENED? I loved super Mario galaxy, I loved Metroid Prime: Corruption.
But then, hell that worked. Why not try to make CASUAL GAMES? Thats what Nintendo said. They said ***** THE THINGS THAT WORK. Lets go try something NEW. And that was a DUMB decision. And if this is their response, then ***** them. This just pisses me off. Its about the consumer. What they like. And we like GOOD games. They said ***** the hardcore gamers, We need MORE. And they got More. But they lost some. And I am sad to say that I am in that percentage. And I know I will get flamed, and My star rating will just be bombarded. But Cut a gamer some slack.
We do not pay for a casual game. We do not pay for a game that is related to everyday life.
We pay for games that make us IMAGINE.
We pay for games that are ORIGINAL.
The games today are supposed to inspire people to think. To imagine. Games like Little Big Planet, And Gears of War 2, where Whole other universes are introduced. That inspires imagination and thought. Not these casual games that are just mini games in a box. Its terrible. And it sickens me to see that Nintendo is willing to throw all the hardcore gamers away for money. Thats what they did.
They took their fan-base, looked at it and said:
We need more.
We need more games.
We need more consoles.
We need more MONEY.
And sadly, as this quote states, They believe in quantity over quality.
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Re: Esaar - 2008-11-16 |
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» simple
No need to be so bent out of shape. Nintendo just couldn't keep up with Sony and MS consoles when it came to hardcore games so they simply said: "Hmm, are we a company loyal to our fans? No. Do we want tons of money? Yes. But our loyal fans will be pissed.... pssh there's like 10 of them anyway."
And then came the Wii and a big boot up the arse of every hardcore gamer who liked Nintendo. End.
No need to be so bent out of shape. Nintendo just couldn't keep up with Sony and MS consoles when it came to hardcore games so they simply said: "Hmm, are we a company loyal to our fans? No. Do we want tons of money? Yes. But our loyal fans will be pissed.... pssh there's like 10 of them anyway."
And then came the Wii and a big boot up the arse of every hardcore gamer who liked Nintendo. End.
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Re: whaleshark - 2008-11-16 |
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» :D
aw... you summed it up for me :D
aw... you summed it up for me :D
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by DarkXCloud - 2008-11-16 |
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» ....
Man! I am starting to hate fu** Reggie and his big-fat-headed of his.
At least make a new damn adventure game! Or RPG!
Man! I am starting to hate fu** Reggie and his big-fat-headed of his.
At least make a new damn adventure game! Or RPG!
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by Relys - 2008-11-16 |
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» ***** YOU REGGIE!
SUCK MY *****!
R.I.P. my Nintendo fanboyism 1995-2006
SUCK MY *****!
R.I.P. my Nintendo fanboyism 1995-2006
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Re: muramasa655 - 2008-11-16 |
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» Reggie...
Look at his smug little look... That hurts me to hear Nintendo say those words.
I've stuck with them, and defended them through this entire 'Wii' thing, thinking surely they will use those motion controls to benefit the hardcore gamer by providing amazing immersion and feedback... And I wait. And I wait. And then I see that they really don't care anymore. I bought a PS3 last month... I like it. I like my 360 too, even though I've sent it back multiple times and M$ is evil... They make games that are fun. Is it sad that the only games I play on Wii are virtual console?
Yes.
The answer is yes. Goodbye Ninty... It hurts.
R.I.P. my Nintendo fanboyism 1993-2008(Just now)
Look at his smug little look... That hurts me to hear Nintendo say those words.
I've stuck with them, and defended them through this entire 'Wii' thing, thinking surely they will use those motion controls to benefit the hardcore gamer by providing amazing immersion and feedback... And I wait. And I wait. And then I see that they really don't care anymore. I bought a PS3 last month... I like it. I like my 360 too, even though I've sent it back multiple times and M$ is evil... They make games that are fun. Is it sad that the only games I play on Wii are virtual console?
Yes.
The answer is yes. Goodbye Ninty... It hurts.
R.I.P. my Nintendo fanboyism 1993-2008(Just now)
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by m-p{3} - 2008-11-16 |
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» Alright but
Maybe they aim for a broader audience, but it seem the audience wasn't present to play Wii Music.
Looks like everything is not going as planned, Nintendo.
Maybe they aim for a broader audience, but it seem the audience wasn't present to play Wii Music.
Looks like everything is not going as planned, Nintendo.
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by PimpFriedRice - 2008-11-16 |
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» Nintendo's Revolutionary technology?
Personally I have a PS3 and I'm not speaking from a fanboy mindset. The Wii is a fun console to play, in fact I go to my cousin's house to play it sometimes. As fun as it is to play I just can't bring myself to buying one because of the overwhelming amount of crap games on the shelf that end up on the clearance/budget rack faster than any of it's competing consoles. Many of these games seem like they were thrown together in a short amount of time. Not to mention that most of it popular and high rated games are ports from previous Nintendo generations or resurrected franchises. I want to play new games not another creation from Miyamoto starring one of his characters that he created sometime over the last 20+ years. If I were to buy a Wii, I would probably get most if not all of my multi-platfrom games on the PS3 anyway. I don't want to buy a system for just a handful games few of which make great use of the wiimote
Personally I have a PS3 and I'm not speaking from a fanboy mindset. The Wii is a fun console to play, in fact I go to my cousin's house to play it sometimes. As fun as it is to play I just can't bring myself to buying one because of the overwhelming amount of crap games on the shelf that end up on the clearance/budget rack faster than any of it's competing consoles. Many of these games seem like they were thrown together in a short amount of time. Not to mention that most of it popular and high rated games are ports from previous Nintendo generations or resurrected franchises. I want to play new games not another creation from Miyamoto starring one of his characters that he created sometime over the last 20+ years. If I were to buy a Wii, I would probably get most if not all of my multi-platfrom games on the PS3 anyway. I don't want to buy a system for just a handful games few of which make great use of the wiimote
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by redcrayon - 2008-11-16 |
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» wii is a gimmick
I have spent many hours infront of my xbox360, multiplayer, splitscreen, online, and alone...
But my Wii... we got into wii sports for about 2 months but got bored of it.
all the single player games got tiresome with the crappy wii motes...
Wii + wiimotes are just a gimmick.
long story short... sold my wii, kept the xbox360.
Love my DS though! play it everyday. :)
I have spent many hours infront of my xbox360, multiplayer, splitscreen, online, and alone...
But my Wii... we got into wii sports for about 2 months but got bored of it.
all the single player games got tiresome with the crappy wii motes...
Wii + wiimotes are just a gimmick.
long story short... sold my wii, kept the xbox360.
Love my DS though! play it everyday. :)
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Re: muramasa655 - 2008-11-16 |
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» Yeah...
At least the DS still rapes. I'm sure Ninty will ruin that soon too... Oh wait, DSi. Yes! Let's start rehashing consoles too! Gamecube v2 AND DSv2!
At least the DS still rapes. I'm sure Ninty will ruin that soon too... Oh wait, DSi. Yes! Let's start rehashing consoles too! Gamecube v2 AND DSv2!
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Re: nesianstyles - 2008-11-16 |
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» I agree
The Wii is a total gimmick. I really wish I had got a 360 instead. Oh well, Nintendo's good for something for once, they didnt lower the price which means I can sell it for more :D
The Wii is a total gimmick. I really wish I had got a 360 instead. Oh well, Nintendo's good for something for once, they didnt lower the price which means I can sell it for more :D
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by mpcooper - 2008-11-16 |
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» ....
I am going to chalk this one up to the American Branch of Nintendo. Just like at E3 how they tried to portray their game lineup as being anything but slightly interesting. I remember seeing this goober there and I thought he looked like he would say and do stupid stuff. Oh well all three developers have not been faring too well lately.
I am going to chalk this one up to the American Branch of Nintendo. Just like at E3 how they tried to portray their game lineup as being anything but slightly interesting. I remember seeing this goober there and I thought he looked like he would say and do stupid stuff. Oh well all three developers have not been faring too well lately.
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by ShadeyProphet - 2008-11-16 |
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» The problem with this is,
nintendo is on top of the market right now, but with statments like that. I dont see how they will stay on top,
it look like nintendo is trying hard to be the next tiger electronics.
if all nintendo cares about is sales figures, that's a slap to it's long time fans.
At the moment i'm a wii owner and a ps3 owner, but im not likely to buy nintendos next console...
nintendo is on top of the market right now, but with statments like that. I dont see how they will stay on top,
it look like nintendo is trying hard to be the next tiger electronics.
if all nintendo cares about is sales figures, that's a slap to it's long time fans.
At the moment i'm a wii owner and a ps3 owner, but im not likely to buy nintendos next console...
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Re: c74gta4smash - 2008-11-16 |
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» Agreed with EVERYTHING you said there
Including the PS3 part.
Including the PS3 part.
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by Fade3e - 2008-11-16 |
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» wow f-in bull
i used to be a diehard nintendo fan and loved the wii at first, it brought amazing games to the table, however what he said has become quite evident to me as the last game i purchased for my wii was mario kart. i may pick up animal crossing but honestly if i dont see any defining difference from the other two i wont bother, ive officially just lost respect and love for nintendo and will stick to my ps3s side till death(or ps4) i may never buy a ninty game again except for pokemon, yes sorry imma dork but i love those games
i used to be a diehard nintendo fan and loved the wii at first, it brought amazing games to the table, however what he said has become quite evident to me as the last game i purchased for my wii was mario kart. i may pick up animal crossing but honestly if i dont see any defining difference from the other two i wont bother, ive officially just lost respect and love for nintendo and will stick to my ps3s side till death(or ps4) i may never buy a ninty game again except for pokemon, yes sorry imma dork but i love those games
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Re: executioner - 2008-11-17 |
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» don, worry
I love pokemon too.
I love pokemon too.
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by PimpFriedRice - 2008-11-16 |
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» Why Nintendo Why?
I remember in the days of the 8bit and 16bit era when Nintendo had to keep raising the bar for their competition. The only Nintendo console I've ever had in my life was the SNES, but I've every Sega console there was. Sega to me (imo) was the one who cared about the true gamer. Sega made more original and more exciting titles than Nintendo ever had. It's not like Sega can't live without Sonic The Hedgehog, but could Nintendo live without the Mario clan? Honestly I think that every NIntendo generation has lived off of Mario games in one form or another (there are dozens of them).
I wouldn't say that this is the first time that Nintendo has abandoned the gamer though. It seems that whenever a new system is released they just drop all support of their previous platorm on the drop of a dime. I know comsoles only have a limited life but where does that leave the gamer? We are forced to purchase the nextt console or we're left in the dust. Then again Wii reminds me a lot of Gamecube in terns of graphics and gameplay just with different controls so to me it's not really a next-gen platform.
I also remember when Nintendo laughed at Sony's decision to use an optical disc format (CD) for their new console (PSX). Who came out on top? Just read a little history. PSX dominated the N64 and Gamecube was wiped off the map by PS2. Again, I'm not speaking from a fanboy mentallity, but what does Nintendo think is going to be different this time around when there just releasing mostly ports of previous gen titles, lost or forgotten franchises, and crappy third party support? Basically it's the same marketing campaign they've always had only this time the Regginator came out and basically said, "We're all about the money and our fans will eat anything they're fed." (He didnt really say that.)
I remember in the days of the 8bit and 16bit era when Nintendo had to keep raising the bar for their competition. The only Nintendo console I've ever had in my life was the SNES, but I've every Sega console there was. Sega to me (imo) was the one who cared about the true gamer. Sega made more original and more exciting titles than Nintendo ever had. It's not like Sega can't live without Sonic The Hedgehog, but could Nintendo live without the Mario clan? Honestly I think that every NIntendo generation has lived off of Mario games in one form or another (there are dozens of them).
I wouldn't say that this is the first time that Nintendo has abandoned the gamer though. It seems that whenever a new system is released they just drop all support of their previous platorm on the drop of a dime. I know comsoles only have a limited life but where does that leave the gamer? We are forced to purchase the nextt console or we're left in the dust. Then again Wii reminds me a lot of Gamecube in terns of graphics and gameplay just with different controls so to me it's not really a next-gen platform.
I also remember when Nintendo laughed at Sony's decision to use an optical disc format (CD) for their new console (PSX). Who came out on top? Just read a little history. PSX dominated the N64 and Gamecube was wiped off the map by PS2. Again, I'm not speaking from a fanboy mentallity, but what does Nintendo think is going to be different this time around when there just releasing mostly ports of previous gen titles, lost or forgotten franchises, and crappy third party support? Basically it's the same marketing campaign they've always had only this time the Regginator came out and basically said, "We're all about the money and our fans will eat anything they're fed." (He didnt really say that.)
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Re: jacobian91 - 2008-11-17 |
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» Agreed Entirely
Wii is fun and all. It was the most affordable, so it's what I got. I love Mario and Zelda. I love Smash Bros. I thought the Wii was th ebest thing ever when it came out. Now, though, I look at all the Wii games. Barbie here, Freddy Fish there, Sports crap this and kiddie crap that.
It's sad. It really is.
PS2 definitely pwned Gamecube. PS2 also pwned Xbox. PS2 was the best of that gen.
Yeah, Nintendo laughed at the optical disc idea. But guess what.
Playstation was originally a disc drive for the SNES. When Nintendo was going to allow Sony to make it.
Here is the crappy part.
(sry for caps, but I think it's neccessary)
WHEN NINTENDO FOUND OUT THEY COULD NOT MAKE M-O-N-E-Y $$$$ OFF OF IT, THEY TOLD SONY THEY COULD NOT DO IT.
Right then and there, back in the mid-late 90s, Nintendo killed themselves. They made Sony mad, so they came out with the Playstation-X. This, unfortunitely was also the death of Sega. Nintendo commited homocide then suicide.
I thought that the Wii was going to be the best console that I ever owned. I hated it when people called it a "glorified Gamecube." But now I see why, and I agree. I'll keep the Wii, because I'll always have hope. I was born with an NES. I got an SNES. I had a Gameboy, and a Pocket, and a Color, and an Advance. I have a DS (which still rocks, btw). I got the N64, and I got the Gamecube. I got the PS-1, I got the PS2. I got an Xbox. I've always played my PS2 the most. It broke. I'm sad.
Back to topic (sorry).
I just wish Nintendo would set things right. Casual games are cool and all. Get some money for bigger projects. That all good and whatnot. But they need to actually MAKE the bigger projects. Ninty will go nowhere fast if they keep on the same course. They will find that at the end of this path, there's a cliff. And they'll have fallen asleep at the wheel.
Come on Ninty, you can do it...
I hope...
Wii is fun and all. It was the most affordable, so it's what I got. I love Mario and Zelda. I love Smash Bros. I thought the Wii was th ebest thing ever when it came out. Now, though, I look at all the Wii games. Barbie here, Freddy Fish there, Sports crap this and kiddie crap that.
It's sad. It really is.
PS2 definitely pwned Gamecube. PS2 also pwned Xbox. PS2 was the best of that gen.
Yeah, Nintendo laughed at the optical disc idea. But guess what.
Playstation was originally a disc drive for the SNES. When Nintendo was going to allow Sony to make it.
Here is the crappy part.
(sry for caps, but I think it's neccessary)
WHEN NINTENDO FOUND OUT THEY COULD NOT MAKE M-O-N-E-Y $$$$ OFF OF IT, THEY TOLD SONY THEY COULD NOT DO IT.
Right then and there, back in the mid-late 90s, Nintendo killed themselves. They made Sony mad, so they came out with the Playstation-X. This, unfortunitely was also the death of Sega. Nintendo commited homocide then suicide.
I thought that the Wii was going to be the best console that I ever owned. I hated it when people called it a "glorified Gamecube." But now I see why, and I agree. I'll keep the Wii, because I'll always have hope. I was born with an NES. I got an SNES. I had a Gameboy, and a Pocket, and a Color, and an Advance. I have a DS (which still rocks, btw). I got the N64, and I got the Gamecube. I got the PS-1, I got the PS2. I got an Xbox. I've always played my PS2 the most. It broke. I'm sad.
Back to topic (sorry).
I just wish Nintendo would set things right. Casual games are cool and all. Get some money for bigger projects. That all good and whatnot. But they need to actually MAKE the bigger projects. Ninty will go nowhere fast if they keep on the same course. They will find that at the end of this path, there's a cliff. And they'll have fallen asleep at the wheel.
Come on Ninty, you can do it...
I hope...
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by Mister Common Sense - 2008-11-16 |
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» Official confirmation
Nintendo does not care about previous loyal fans or want to make games for them, just whoever will buy the largest quantity of crap games and gimmicky overpriced accessories.
Quick profit for Nintendo, but that will hurt them seriously in the long run.
Nintendo does not care about previous loyal fans or want to make games for them, just whoever will buy the largest quantity of crap games and gimmicky overpriced accessories.
Quick profit for Nintendo, but that will hurt them seriously in the long run.
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by ShadeyProphet - 2008-11-16 |
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» look at it this way guys,
The wii was a great and affordable little tide-over system, to keep us busy until we all decided which real next gen console we all wanted ;P
The wii was a great and affordable little tide-over system, to keep us busy until we all decided which real next gen console we all wanted ;P
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by Aces In The Palm - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!?!
where's iso to leap to nintendos defense
i guess its hard when the comment comes from nintendo president
where's iso to leap to nintendos defense
i guess its hard when the comment comes from nintendo president
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-11-17 |
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» .
As discussed before, he's sucking momma's ti-tee in the basement where he lives.
Too busy to defend Nintendo at the moment.
As discussed before, he's sucking momma's ti-tee in the basement where he lives.
Too busy to defend Nintendo at the moment.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
1. How about you wait for people to respond instead of acting like a childish tool?
2. How about you break down the comments like I did below. The only negative comments in this article were from Isaac.
3. Don't have anything real to say about the article? What's the matter? You can't think for yourself? You can't put forth the effort required to have a REAL conversation?
As for Mr. Common Douche Bag, eh, I expect nothing more from him. I doubt any one does any more.
1. How about you wait for people to respond instead of acting like a childish tool?
2. How about you break down the comments like I did below. The only negative comments in this article were from Isaac.
3. Don't have anything real to say about the article? What's the matter? You can't think for yourself? You can't put forth the effort required to have a REAL conversation?
As for Mr. Common Douche Bag, eh, I expect nothing more from him. I doubt any one does any more.
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Re: Aces In The Palm - 2008-11-17 |
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» lol
no offense intended isohaven
i was just being a smartarse
i've seen how others push your buttons and thought "perfect opportunity"
i dont think badly of you mate
i'm just a prankster X-D
no offense intended isohaven
i was just being a smartarse
i've seen how others push your buttons and thought "perfect opportunity"
i dont think badly of you mate
i'm just a prankster X-D
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
And I'm turning into a grumpy old man!
And I'm turning into a grumpy old man!
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Re: Aces In The Palm - 2008-11-17 |
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» to add something on topic
i am finding the games more a fad than the wii itself
i take games home wondering how the wiimote will be implemented.
most times its a let down
i think the wii is a neat xmas present for the kids and family alike
but if your buying for, or you are a more habitual (hardcore even) player then the wii just wont cut it.
i am finding the games more a fad than the wii itself
i take games home wondering how the wiimote will be implemented.
most times its a let down
i think the wii is a neat xmas present for the kids and family alike
but if your buying for, or you are a more habitual (hardcore even) player then the wii just wont cut it.
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by Mister Common Sense - 2008-11-17 |
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» Reggie Fils "hisbuthole" Aime strikes again!
"By now, you all know how Nintendo chose a fundamentally different path," said Fils-Aime. "Instead of competing for the very best players, we decided to shoot for the most players."
As in "very best players", he means decade long loyal fans. The decade long loyal fans will have little reason to stick with Nintendo products as they are currently being screwed.
"Naturally, he segued into the Wii's successes, highlighting how the console's peripherals, like the steering wheel and balance board, supported accessibility."
Accessible for who? Desperate overweight people like isoheavy and retarded people that can't hold the wiimote sideways?
"He also noted that a slate of more mainstream titles also helped welcome in new audiences."
Is wii music more mainstream? That game got horrible reviews by nearly everyone. Even top seller Wii fit got poor reviews among those skeptical about it's supposed exercise purposes.
"Personally, I may enjoy mowing down aliens and saving the world, but I have to acknowledge that not everyone has the same sense as mine for their entertainment," he said, citing Nintendogs, Brain Age and Wii Fit as revolutionary titles that "question the very definition of a video game, and they're also changing the way we look at the software business."
This is how Nintendo looks at the software business: Promise something to make "gamers" better, get fit, learn music, get smarter, etc. Then make low budget, crap software and usually some crap accessory that goes with it! Promise results when any are trivial at best. BAM! Easy profit!
I'd rather be, you know, ENTERTAINED, by videogames. Yeah, call me old fashioned.
"Fils-Aime showed trendline data that indicates that Wii Fit had more consistent month-to-month sales than titles like Halo 3 or even Nintendo's own, more core-focused Super Smash Bros. Brawl, whose initial enthusiastic receptions saw a predictable drop-off post-launch."
Figure in hardware shortages and that makes sense. People will always be overweight and desperate. Common sense tells you sales of exercise simulators like that will not go down overnight.
"And to be clear, this is the traditional downward trend for the game software business," said Fils-Aime -- but Wii Fit is "currently mapping at the same type of evergreen sales status that has already been achieved by Brain Age and Nintendogs on the DS."
That's why REAL gaming companies like Sony and Microsoft are always developing NEW cutting edge games. Wii fit, brain age, and nintendogs are not games, but extremely cheap crap software that appeals to children and the retarded.
"And in fact this could be another title that just keeps on selling," Fils-Aime added, predicting that October NPD will show Wii Fit seizing the rare feat of more than 475,000 units sold in each of three separate months in 2008."
Do any wii fans care about how well wii fit is selling?
Really, anyone but isoheavy?
"He also noted that Wii Fit's retail revenue has trumped even that of Grand Theft Auto IV on either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 -- even though it hasn't been on shelves for quite as long."
Nintendo is getting rich off crap products! He just had to rub that in because wiitards like isoheavy love to hear how much money Nintendo makes off screwing previous, loyal fans.
"Wider appeal can also translate to longer appeal and maybe even to better appeal," he said."
WTF is "better appeal?" This latest software from Nintendo is rush job trash with horrible production values. It's Nintendo's effort to make a quick buck rather than something truly significant.
"Still, the Nintendo exec acknowledged, "If there were journalists here today from core gamer sites, they'd be grousing, 'yeah, well what about us?'"
Is there a casual gaming site? I guess it's Nintendo's website now. Anyway, yeah the core gamer will be screwed owning a wii. Best sell it while the resale value is high.
"So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia," concluded Fils-A
"By now, you all know how Nintendo chose a fundamentally different path," said Fils-Aime. "Instead of competing for the very best players, we decided to shoot for the most players."
As in "very best players", he means decade long loyal fans. The decade long loyal fans will have little reason to stick with Nintendo products as they are currently being screwed.
"Naturally, he segued into the Wii's successes, highlighting how the console's peripherals, like the steering wheel and balance board, supported accessibility."
Accessible for who? Desperate overweight people like isoheavy and retarded people that can't hold the wiimote sideways?
"He also noted that a slate of more mainstream titles also helped welcome in new audiences."
Is wii music more mainstream? That game got horrible reviews by nearly everyone. Even top seller Wii fit got poor reviews among those skeptical about it's supposed exercise purposes.
"Personally, I may enjoy mowing down aliens and saving the world, but I have to acknowledge that not everyone has the same sense as mine for their entertainment," he said, citing Nintendogs, Brain Age and Wii Fit as revolutionary titles that "question the very definition of a video game, and they're also changing the way we look at the software business."
This is how Nintendo looks at the software business: Promise something to make "gamers" better, get fit, learn music, get smarter, etc. Then make low budget, crap software and usually some crap accessory that goes with it! Promise results when any are trivial at best. BAM! Easy profit!
I'd rather be, you know, ENTERTAINED, by videogames. Yeah, call me old fashioned.
"Fils-Aime showed trendline data that indicates that Wii Fit had more consistent month-to-month sales than titles like Halo 3 or even Nintendo's own, more core-focused Super Smash Bros. Brawl, whose initial enthusiastic receptions saw a predictable drop-off post-launch."
Figure in hardware shortages and that makes sense. People will always be overweight and desperate. Common sense tells you sales of exercise simulators like that will not go down overnight.
"And to be clear, this is the traditional downward trend for the game software business," said Fils-Aime -- but Wii Fit is "currently mapping at the same type of evergreen sales status that has already been achieved by Brain Age and Nintendogs on the DS."
That's why REAL gaming companies like Sony and Microsoft are always developing NEW cutting edge games. Wii fit, brain age, and nintendogs are not games, but extremely cheap crap software that appeals to children and the retarded.
"And in fact this could be another title that just keeps on selling," Fils-Aime added, predicting that October NPD will show Wii Fit seizing the rare feat of more than 475,000 units sold in each of three separate months in 2008."
Do any wii fans care about how well wii fit is selling?
Really, anyone but isoheavy?
"He also noted that Wii Fit's retail revenue has trumped even that of Grand Theft Auto IV on either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 -- even though it hasn't been on shelves for quite as long."
Nintendo is getting rich off crap products! He just had to rub that in because wiitards like isoheavy love to hear how much money Nintendo makes off screwing previous, loyal fans.
"Wider appeal can also translate to longer appeal and maybe even to better appeal," he said."
WTF is "better appeal?" This latest software from Nintendo is rush job trash with horrible production values. It's Nintendo's effort to make a quick buck rather than something truly significant.
"Still, the Nintendo exec acknowledged, "If there were journalists here today from core gamer sites, they'd be grousing, 'yeah, well what about us?'"
Is there a casual gaming site? I guess it's Nintendo's website now. Anyway, yeah the core gamer will be screwed owning a wii. Best sell it while the resale value is high.
"So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia," concluded Fils-A
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» ...continued
"So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia," concluded Fils-Aime, finishing up his presentation with a demo of content he said is aimed at that core market, including Punch Out! for Wii, the U.S. debut of Sin and Punishment, and Sega's sci-fi third-person shooter The Conduit."
3 games? I call that a disappointment, even assuming all of them could be good. Sony and Microsoft each have released at least 3 top rating games in the last month, not planned in the next 6 months.
Nintendo FAILS hard this time! Corporate excuses won't help.
"So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia," concluded Fils-Aime, finishing up his presentation with a demo of content he said is aimed at that core market, including Punch Out! for Wii, the U.S. debut of Sin and Punishment, and Sega's sci-fi third-person shooter The Conduit."
3 games? I call that a disappointment, even assuming all of them could be good. Sony and Microsoft each have released at least 3 top rating games in the last month, not planned in the next 6 months.
Nintendo FAILS hard this time! Corporate excuses won't help.
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Re: Fade3e - 2008-11-17 |
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» i disagree withyou iso
on the fact that nintendo has never been hardcore, you knock everyone else for stating thier opinions instead of fact but right there you clearly drop an opinion.
now i suppose you could argue wethere thats fact or opinion but as for me i always considered nintendo as hardcore, and untill the ds they seemed to drop good games for hardcore gamers like metroid, smash bros, zelda etc. hwever ill agree that no mario games were ever really hardcore but to say nintendo as a whole isnt hardcore is purly opinion so dont even try that arguement when it really depends on the gamer rather than the game itself.
on the other note i do agree with you that nintendo is smart for releasing the wii fit and others to expand the casual gamer base but i think what is often misinterpretted is the gimmicky games.
(not directed at you iso, this parts general)
by that i mean for the most part all the first party games are value games with high quality software and huge fanbase however the gimmicky games you all mention are primarilly to be tacked as thirdparty games so dont group nintendos games along with the sea of gimmicky wasts of money
on the fact that nintendo has never been hardcore, you knock everyone else for stating thier opinions instead of fact but right there you clearly drop an opinion.
now i suppose you could argue wethere thats fact or opinion but as for me i always considered nintendo as hardcore, and untill the ds they seemed to drop good games for hardcore gamers like metroid, smash bros, zelda etc. hwever ill agree that no mario games were ever really hardcore but to say nintendo as a whole isnt hardcore is purly opinion so dont even try that arguement when it really depends on the gamer rather than the game itself.
on the other note i do agree with you that nintendo is smart for releasing the wii fit and others to expand the casual gamer base but i think what is often misinterpretted is the gimmicky games.
(not directed at you iso, this parts general)
by that i mean for the most part all the first party games are value games with high quality software and huge fanbase however the gimmicky games you all mention are primarilly to be tacked as thirdparty games so dont group nintendos games along with the sea of gimmicky wasts of money
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"on the fact that nintendo has never been hardcore, you knock everyone else for stating thier opinions instead of fact but right there you clearly drop an opinion."
That's not my opinion. It's fact. Also, I only knock people when they STATE their opinion as fact. Now here, you stated your opinion. That's fine. Do you want to explore it?
List every hard core title you can think of for each Nintendo system. Then we'll track down how many titles were released for each system and come up with a percentage per console for hard core titles.
Go ahead and list all the:
God of War's
Gears of War's
Halo's
FEAR's
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For each Nintendo system. Taking "age" into account of course.
If you can show at least 51% of any console was hard core then you can prove that Nintendo has had a hard core system(s).
If you can show at least 30% of any console was hard core then you can prove that Nintendo at least TRIED to include hard core.
The last time I saw someone perform this little project, no Nintendo system came above 15%. But hey, if you can prove otherwise then great. Maybe they missed a bunch of titles.
"on the fact that nintendo has never been hardcore, you knock everyone else for stating thier opinions instead of fact but right there you clearly drop an opinion."
That's not my opinion. It's fact. Also, I only knock people when they STATE their opinion as fact. Now here, you stated your opinion. That's fine. Do you want to explore it?
List every hard core title you can think of for each Nintendo system. Then we'll track down how many titles were released for each system and come up with a percentage per console for hard core titles.
Go ahead and list all the:
God of War's
Gears of War's
Halo's
FEAR's
................
For each Nintendo system. Taking "age" into account of course.
If you can show at least 51% of any console was hard core then you can prove that Nintendo has had a hard core system(s).
If you can show at least 30% of any console was hard core then you can prove that Nintendo at least TRIED to include hard core.
The last time I saw someone perform this little project, no Nintendo system came above 15%. But hey, if you can prove otherwise then great. Maybe they missed a bunch of titles.
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Re: Fade3e - 2008-11-18 |
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» intresting
im sorry for knocking you then i didnt realize it was a fact because the way you said it seemed like an opinion, thats my fault for misinturpreting, however im intrested to know something of thos results you mention. did they only count 1st and 2nd party games? it seems unfair to me to knock down a systems hardcoredness because it has 100s of 3rd party casual games. now that wasnt an attack i relly do want to know
im sorry for knocking you then i didnt realize it was a fact because the way you said it seemed like an opinion, thats my fault for misinturpreting, however im intrested to know something of thos results you mention. did they only count 1st and 2nd party games? it seems unfair to me to knock down a systems hardcoredness because it has 100s of 3rd party casual games. now that wasnt an attack i relly do want to know
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-18 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
It was a list of all games for each console.
After all, a console "is what it is" based on ALL games available to it. Yes? No?
Nintendo licenses all games for their console so....they touched every single game and put their seal of approval on it. This of course turns a blind eye to the handful of non-licenses media out there.
It was a list of all games for each console.
After all, a console "is what it is" based on ALL games available to it. Yes? No?
Nintendo licenses all games for their console so....they touched every single game and put their seal of approval on it. This of course turns a blind eye to the handful of non-licenses media out there.
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by ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
I read the article and I'm trying to figure out WTF everyone's problem is? Seems to me the average person here only read the misleading title.
"Personally, I may enjoy mowing down aliens and saving the world, but I have to acknowledge that not everyone has the same sense as mine for their entertainment."
WTF is wrong with this statement? It's 100% true. Not everyone is the same. Different people like different things. Plus, it's been proven that there are more casual gamers then non-casual gamers.
"Games like Nintendogs, Brain Age and Wii Fit are revolutionary titles that] question the very definition of a video game, and they're also changing the way we look at the software business. [...] Wider appeal can also translate to longer appeal and maybe even to better appeal."
Again, WTF is wrong with this statement? Those are casual games and that are a HIT! They are a hit with Nintendo fans old and new. They are the very definition of a casual Nintendo gamer. Nintendo has never been "hard core". Why people expect them to be now is mind boggling!
"Translation: you'll like whatever we give you because everyone likes it too, so shut it. He concluded with:"
Seriously, WTF is this garbage? That is NOT a translation. That has nothing to do with what was said. This is just biased BS from Isaac as this verbage IS NOT IN THE SOURCE.
"If there were journalists here today from core gamer sites, they'd be grousing, 'yeah, well what about us?' So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia."
That is not a complete thought. Where's the rest of what was said? Again, this entire article reeks of biased garbage snips.
Let's look at a quote from the source with Isaac failed to address:
"By now, you all know how Nintendo chose a fundamentally different path," said Fils-Aime. "Instead of competing for the very best players, we decided to shoot for the most players."
Unlike Mr. Common Douche Bags idiot TRANSLATION about how "best players" really means "Nintendo fans", here's what this REALLY means. It means that Nintendo didn't try to go for the SMALL GROUP that is the elite gamer. They didn't attempt to compeat with a powerhouse console. In the end, why should they have? We already have two powerhouse consoles. Seriously, who the hell wants a third? People should be thanking Nintendo for giving us something NEW, something DIFFERENT.....CHOICE! For all you Obama supporters the word you'll understand is CHANGE! They wanted to grab a market that's been left untouched, the casual gamer. They wanted to bring the most players on board.
For those of you that think that stinks, I want you to explain to me WHY those new gamers should remain left out in the cold? Why do you hate them so much?
I read the article and I'm trying to figure out WTF everyone's problem is? Seems to me the average person here only read the misleading title.
"Personally, I may enjoy mowing down aliens and saving the world, but I have to acknowledge that not everyone has the same sense as mine for their entertainment."
WTF is wrong with this statement? It's 100% true. Not everyone is the same. Different people like different things. Plus, it's been proven that there are more casual gamers then non-casual gamers.
"Games like Nintendogs, Brain Age and Wii Fit are revolutionary titles that] question the very definition of a video game, and they're also changing the way we look at the software business. [...] Wider appeal can also translate to longer appeal and maybe even to better appeal."
Again, WTF is wrong with this statement? Those are casual games and that are a HIT! They are a hit with Nintendo fans old and new. They are the very definition of a casual Nintendo gamer. Nintendo has never been "hard core". Why people expect them to be now is mind boggling!
"Translation: you'll like whatever we give you because everyone likes it too, so shut it. He concluded with:"
Seriously, WTF is this garbage? That is NOT a translation. That has nothing to do with what was said. This is just biased BS from Isaac as this verbage IS NOT IN THE SOURCE.
"If there were journalists here today from core gamer sites, they'd be grousing, 'yeah, well what about us?' So, I don't want to disappoint them even in absentia."
That is not a complete thought. Where's the rest of what was said? Again, this entire article reeks of biased garbage snips.
Let's look at a quote from the source with Isaac failed to address:
"By now, you all know how Nintendo chose a fundamentally different path," said Fils-Aime. "Instead of competing for the very best players, we decided to shoot for the most players."
Unlike Mr. Common Douche Bags idiot TRANSLATION about how "best players" really means "Nintendo fans", here's what this REALLY means. It means that Nintendo didn't try to go for the SMALL GROUP that is the elite gamer. They didn't attempt to compeat with a powerhouse console. In the end, why should they have? We already have two powerhouse consoles. Seriously, who the hell wants a third? People should be thanking Nintendo for giving us something NEW, something DIFFERENT.....CHOICE! For all you Obama supporters the word you'll understand is CHANGE! They wanted to grab a market that's been left untouched, the casual gamer. They wanted to bring the most players on board.
For those of you that think that stinks, I want you to explain to me WHY those new gamers should remain left out in the cold? Why do you hate them so much?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
As for the title:
"Nintendo on its gaming community: we're about quantity, not quality"
He said no such thing nor made any such statement.
@Isaac C. - You should be ashamed of yourself. That was piss poor reporting. I read the source link and it HAS NOTHING to do with all your BS commentary you added to your article.
The original source article can be summarized by saying, Nintendo discovered the true casual gamer and ran with it. In the end they where successful.
What I find hilarious is that you have idiots on this site like Mr. Common Douche Bag who shun Nintendo for going in a direction that nets them the most money yet Microsoft and Sony have THE SAME EXACT GOALS!!!! If you think MS and Sony purposely take directions that they think gamers WANT and purposely do so taking a loss FOR THE GAMER, then you are a fool. Of course Nintendo is going to try and grab AS MANY PLAYERS as possible. ALL THREE COMPANIES are trying to do as such. Trying to get as many players as possible ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT TRANSLATE into quantity over quality in their games. Going casual got them the most players, not making the most games. The Wii doesn't even have the most games so that can't even remotely be true.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are in business to make AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. Nintendo won this time around. Plus, Microsoft is SCRAMBLING to fix their blunder and are trying to incorporate AS MUCH "CASUAL" into their line up as possible.
Go read the source people!!!!
As for the title:
"Nintendo on its gaming community: we're about quantity, not quality"
He said no such thing nor made any such statement.
@Isaac C. - You should be ashamed of yourself. That was piss poor reporting. I read the source link and it HAS NOTHING to do with all your BS commentary you added to your article.
The original source article can be summarized by saying, Nintendo discovered the true casual gamer and ran with it. In the end they where successful.
What I find hilarious is that you have idiots on this site like Mr. Common Douche Bag who shun Nintendo for going in a direction that nets them the most money yet Microsoft and Sony have THE SAME EXACT GOALS!!!! If you think MS and Sony purposely take directions that they think gamers WANT and purposely do so taking a loss FOR THE GAMER, then you are a fool. Of course Nintendo is going to try and grab AS MANY PLAYERS as possible. ALL THREE COMPANIES are trying to do as such. Trying to get as many players as possible ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT TRANSLATE into quantity over quality in their games. Going casual got them the most players, not making the most games. The Wii doesn't even have the most games so that can't even remotely be true.
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are in business to make AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. Nintendo won this time around. Plus, Microsoft is SCRAMBLING to fix their blunder and are trying to incorporate AS MUCH "CASUAL" into their line up as possible.
Go read the source people!!!!
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Re: Isaac C. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2008-11-17 |
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» there you are
Oh hey, ISO, I was waiting for you. I wanted to get into a conversation with you about this actually, but let's be civil about it, shall we?
Of course a business is about making money, I never claimed otherwise. My commentary, as you so put it, was only to say what you have said: Nintendo chose to go with the casual consumer - I just heavily focused on how they left behind their former fanbase in the process.
As for my title, it was a play on the gaming community, not Nintendo's games. Nintendo decided to give their attention to the "most" gamers - which I take it he meant gamers who only got into gaming when they got the Wii - instead of the fanbase they already had in previous generations of consoles, hence the "quality" of gamers.
We both said the same thing, only with a difference in opinion. We both agree that Nintendo chose to go with the casual gamers. You see it as a good thing on Nintendo's part, and I agree in that sense, but I also see it as a bad thing for the fanbase they left behind, and that's why I think it's a shame.
Oh hey, ISO, I was waiting for you. I wanted to get into a conversation with you about this actually, but let's be civil about it, shall we?
Of course a business is about making money, I never claimed otherwise. My commentary, as you so put it, was only to say what you have said: Nintendo chose to go with the casual consumer - I just heavily focused on how they left behind their former fanbase in the process.
As for my title, it was a play on the gaming community, not Nintendo's games. Nintendo decided to give their attention to the "most" gamers - which I take it he meant gamers who only got into gaming when they got the Wii - instead of the fanbase they already had in previous generations of consoles, hence the "quality" of gamers.
We both said the same thing, only with a difference in opinion. We both agree that Nintendo chose to go with the casual gamers. You see it as a good thing on Nintendo's part, and I agree in that sense, but I also see it as a bad thing for the fanbase they left behind, and that's why I think it's a shame.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-11-17 |
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» The difference between Nintendo and both Sony and Microsoft
Of course they are out to make money, who isn't. The difference is in how they go about doing it.
Sony and MS make most of their money on QUALITY software. Games with high ratings and production values that are worth their price.
Nintendo is out to make money on hardware, overpriced accessories, cheap "self improvement" software, and recycled last gen games. By far, lowest software investment for the most profitable game company.
Why didn't you address ANYTHING I said? You know it's true and most of the people on this page agree with me.
Of course they are out to make money, who isn't. The difference is in how they go about doing it.
Sony and MS make most of their money on QUALITY software. Games with high ratings and production values that are worth their price.
Nintendo is out to make money on hardware, overpriced accessories, cheap "self improvement" software, and recycled last gen games. By far, lowest software investment for the most profitable game company.
Why didn't you address ANYTHING I said? You know it's true and most of the people on this page agree with me.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-11-17 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"My commentary, as you so put it, was only to say what you have said: Nintendo chose to go with the casual consumer"
That's not what your commentary did:
"we're about quantity, not quality"
So, you claim you meant quantity of gamers? If that's true then what about quality? Low quality gamers? That doesn't make sense. That comment is a very well known statement. It means only one thing to people these days. Attaching it to people makes no sense. It only makes sense when you attach it to product. To call over 36 million people low quality in one fowl swoop is reckless.
"you'll like whatever we give you because everyone likes it too, so shut it."
Again, this has nothing to do with people. You are again addressing product. This is your comment and it makes no sense against the source article.
This is not a translation of anything from the source.
"I just heavily focused on how they left behind their former fanbase in the process."
I still don't understand this argument. The Wii gives us Zelda, Metroid, Mario..... They have fully covered their "fanbase". Nintendo has always been about games on the casual side. They just stepped up the casual side of things and won the hearts of many. Sony was the first to give us what would be considered a "hard core game" genre.
"As for my title, it was a play on the gaming community, not Nintendo's games. Nintendo decided to give their attention to the "most" gamers - which I take it he meant gamers who only got into gaming when they got the Wii"
Did you mean to say NEW gamers? That's not what I got from that statement at all. He didn't MEAN anything other then what he said. You can't take someone's words then decide what you think they REALLY MEANT to say. He said what he said and nothing more.
Take a look at EVERYONE who plays video games. Now you have the opportunity to make a console and code some games. You want to make the biggest splash you can. Do you go with the small group of players, or the VERY LARGE group of players? Keep in mind, the third group of BOTH is still smaller then the VERY LARGE group of casual.
"instead of the fanbase they already had in previous generations of consoles, hence the "quality" of gamers."
Instead? I've owned every Nintendo console as well as every Sony console. They cater to me just fine and plenty of other people who frequent QJ have stated as such as well. So where's the data that states otherwise?
"We both said the same thing, only with a difference in opinion."
I disagree for the reasons stated above.
"but I also see it as a bad thing for the fanbase they left behind, and that's why I think it's a shame."
Again, I've yet to see any qualified polls of existing Nintendo fans that claim they no longer like the direction Nintendo is going. You make this comment yet can you qualify that any fanbase has been left behind? No, the select few knuckleheads on this site do not count.
"My commentary, as you so put it, was only to say what you have said: Nintendo chose to go with the casual consumer"
That's not what your commentary did:
"we're about quantity, not quality"
So, you claim you meant quantity of gamers? If that's true then what about quality? Low quality gamers? That doesn't make sense. That comment is a very well known statement. It means only one thing to people these days. Attaching it to people makes no sense. It only makes sense when you attach it to product. To call over 36 million people low quality in one fowl swoop is reckless.
"you'll like whatever we give you because everyone likes it too, so shut it."
Again, this has nothing to do with people. You are again addressing product. This is your comment and it makes no sense against the source article.
This is not a translation of anything from the source.
"I just heavily focused on how they left behind their former fanbase in the process."
I still don't understand this argument. The Wii gives us Zelda, Metroid, Mario..... They have fully covered their "fanbase". Nintendo has always been about games on the casual side. They just stepped up the casual side of things and won the hearts of many. Sony was the first to give us what would be considered a "hard core game" genre.
"As for my title, it was a play on the gaming community, not Nintendo's games. Nintendo decided to give their attention to the "most" gamers - which I take it he meant gamers who only got into gaming when they got the Wii"
Did you mean to say NEW gamers? That's not what I got from that statement at all. He didn't MEAN anything other then what he said. You can't take someone's words then decide what you think they REALLY MEANT to say. He said what he said and nothing more.
Take a look at EVERYONE who plays video games. Now you have the opportunity to make a console and code some games. You want to make the biggest splash you can. Do you go with the small group of players, or the VERY LARGE group of players? Keep in mind, the third group of BOTH is still smaller then the VERY LARGE group of casual.
"instead of the fanbase they already had in previous generations of consoles, hence the "quality" of gamers."
Instead? I've owned every Nintendo console as well as every Sony console. They cater to me just fine and plenty of other people who frequent QJ have stated as such as well. So where's the data that states otherwise?
"We both said the same thing, only with a difference in opinion."
I disagree for the reasons stated above.
"but I also see it as a bad thing for the fanbase they left behind, and that's why I think it's a shame."
Again, I've yet to see any qualified polls of existing Nintendo fans that claim they no longer like the direction Nintendo is going. You make this comment yet can you qualify that any fanbase has been left behind? No, the select few knuckleheads on this site do not count.
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