Posted Dec 11, 2006 at 07:00AM by Jerico G. Listed in: Opinions & Analysis Tags: Wiimote, Sony, Sega Master System, Hollywood, SIXAXIS
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Saint's Row versus GTA


You'd think that having more than six billion people populating our mother planet guarantees a constant flow of fresh ideas. But no, we still have to put up with the likes of The Terminator, Digimons, and a "family guy" trying to be cool.

Fact of the matter is, every industry has a huge mainstream-stamped cargo strapped across its back. You have Hollywood that never runs out of the Asian-plus-wacky-western-guy combo, comic books that have WonderMan (replace the first four words with "sup" and you got the picture), and the music industry (if you could call it that) being lorded over by "artists" like Paris Hilton and Justin Timberlake. Yep, the worlds one fudged up place, and if you think we're safe from its clutch just because we're locked up in our room all day mashing buttons, you're dead wrong.

True gamers would have now known what I'm trying to imply. That the gaming industry, like all the money-driven organizations in the planet, is one huge merry go 'round - only instead of horsies we have copycats, and boy are they running lose. Saints Row's Homies can show us nothing the Leone Mafia Family hasn't. How about HOT PXL's (PSP) board-toting Djon? He reeks of WarioWare if you ask me.

You think this is something new? Remember Golden Axe Warrior for the Sega Master System? Anyone who has taken over the character of Link would immediately notice how shamelessly similar it is to earlier Legend Of Zelda installments. Here's another one - Rainbow Arts' Great Giana Sisters. The younger 'uns might never have heard of it before, but simply put, it's got all the Super Mario Bros. elements in it - powerups, bricks shattered by heads, diamond (at least not coin) collection, and all enemies looking weirdly like the plumbers' bitc**s - only instead of brothers Mario and Luigi, you have sisters Giana and Maria.

Mario and Giana


The conflict over motion-sensing technology...
Perhaps the most recent proof of this spreading disease is the issue about motion-sensing. Yeah, our consoles have evolved to be mean and powerful pieces of hardware packed with the newest and most unheard of features, but there's one thing their creators made sure their babies won't lack - a healthy dose of tried and tested technology. You can never actually try and test something that never existed before right? You got the drift, copy each other they did.

One such feature that got thrown into the copycatfight is motion-sensing technology. It's been one of Nintendo's main weapons in gunning down its next-gen competition. Opting to do away with next-gen graphics, they instead focused in improving gameplay via enhanced gaming interactivity - which led to the birth of the said technology. Wait, it's not that simple.

What complicated matters was when Sony unveiled the PS3's SIXAXIS controller. And guess what, it boasts of the same motion-sensing technology Wiimote possessed. Whoa! Hold on to those flamethrowers, I'm not suggesting that it was Sony who copied the technology from Nintendo. The situation's rub lies far deeper than perceived, so quit typing "this blogger's teh debyl!" in the comment's section and hear me out first.

Now back to my senseless motioning, err, motion-sensing, Nintendo did accuse Sony of stealing their technology, with Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton going as far as saying that Sony just "didn’t innovate, they copied." Sony bigwig Phil Harrison retaliated by explaining that they couldn't have copied something that they’ve been working on for more than a decade. In fairness to Sony, Tiltforce 2, a PS1 controller back in 1999, did boast of similar features. Regardless, the intarweb has seen various threads scorched with fanboys flaming each other (QJ being spared not) ever since the conceptions for Wiimote and SIXAXIS were put into "motion".

Wiimote versus SIXAXIS


It's funny 'cause we have two major publicity-thirsty, marketing-cloaked, and fanboy-flanked gaming companies, arguing on who thought of the bright idea first. Funny because everybody seemed to have forgotten that motion-sensing is not even an entirely new thing in the first place. SideWinder Pro 1.0 for the PC has been around for over a decade (developed for Windows 95/98, and so would have been fist released in the late 90's), proving our next-gen tech for our next-gen babies may have been waaayyy-last-gen after all.

Again, this is not a post that's meant to mock both gaming companies. Heck, I grow up toting Mario bags and wetting Dante-themed bedsheets (you can’t get any more fanboyish than that) but it's that same fanboy in me that tells me to speak up and do something. Our idols, instead of being fueled by creative juices, are now being run almost exclusively by the desire to earn profits. And there my friend, lies the dirty stinkin' rub.

The stagnation in videogaming creativity...
That's why we're seeing less developers getting edgy and experimental with the games they create. Even the stories they weave into these games' virtual worlds tend to be recycled. Because publishers aren't keen in placing bets on business ventures that ain't guaranteeing profits, we're fed with games formulated for commercial success. That's why we have sports series (that's practically the same game save for the last digit in the title), rehashed installments, and obviously ripped off titles.

Pardon this blogger for being too preachy, it just sucks that instead of having more games like Nibris' Sadness (the enigmatic thriller that's all done in black and white), we’re being bombarded with Mohawk-sporting GTA spin-offs and mini-game riddled titles (that gives us the literal WTF! reaction). And the worst part is, we can't put the all the blame on our money-driven publishers.

(If you'd like to know who's being whispered in hushed tones across the intarnet as the culprit behind this widening epidemic, highlight the following text with your mouse, by dragging your cursor over it – just promise you'll never reveal you heard it from me):

The consumers that shape the market. If there's something these business companies are afraid of (yes, even EA), it's us – the guys who line up for their games and consoles. The sad thing is, they're resorting to these dizzying merry go 'round cycle 'cause all of us are very much willing to be taken for a ride. Harsh as it may sound, but it's our own love for the mainstream and the hesitation we have for games borne out of creativity that these guys take us for fools.

What's the solution for this? Beats me. The answer I guess lies on simple decision making. Are we all still lining up for this so-safe-it's-just-plain-boring merry go 'round, or are we going to demand for an it's-about-time-we-try-something-new ride?

(For those wondering why I have to do that "highlight the following text with your mouse, by dragging your cursor over it" drama, well let's just say that’s a symbolic spit to the face of the dragging system; a branching out for the search for something new. Hey, you gotta admit it's cool right? *flame coat on*)

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   by skball123 - 2006-12-11
 » wow

wow.. i have never really thought of it that way.. but in the end. most of this is true.. just look at all these Grand Theft Auto games... ALL EXACTALY THE SAME!


   Re: DOH!_Boy (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Same gameplay formula

GTA may be the same for you, but not for me. I'm a big fan and I never get tired of it. I admit that the game is getting old but hopefully GTAIV will fix that. The gameplay formula is so great that that's what make the series so special.

   Re: _____________________ (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » ______________________



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HOW DARE THEY SUGGEST THAT FAMILY GUY

SUCKS. YOU THINK THAT ITS A CRAPPY SHOW?

COULD A SHOW THAT WAS CANCLED WAS BROUGHT BACK DUE TO ''RECORD HIGH'' DVD FAMILY GUY SALES? *****ING RETARDED WRITERS DONT GET ANYTHING RIGHT!!



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   Re: lol (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » exactly

Ha, Im a Family Guy Fan-boy too, and it doesnt suck. I have to admit there are some similarities between family guy and the simpsons, but the Family Guy style of comedy is so much more funny than the simpsons. I havent watched any new simpsons episodes for about 4 years since watching Family Guy :P

Ill tell you whats not funny, The American Version of "The Office". I know Ricky Gervais was in on it, but Come On! I watched the first episode and it was soooo similar to the original that it wasnt funny at all. And the American acting just isnt believable, and the jokes arent pulled off as well. Its supposed to be Dry British Humor, and it should be done by Brits (By the way Im not British). Seriously get your hands on the first episode of each version, watch the 2 one after the other, and you'll see!!

Oh and... yea GTA's are all quite similar. But I still love 'em. The PSP ones werent all too great tho...
   by shabba (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » badass 2

motion sensing has 1 major flaw - well with that wii ting anyway!!

too much effort!!

i just wanna come home from a hard days work and chill!

not stand there waving about all night far too much effort!!

with originality tho.... think ico, okami....

both different and both relativly big flops

is it any wonder we are on Tony 'same game slightly different grafix, and play area' hawks 8????

fifa's been going since i can remember, but only really progresses every time it appears on a new platform (about every 3 to 5 years)

but they sell....??? you guys buy them.....???


   Re: Azazil (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Flops? Are you trippin`?

Ico and Okami weren't flops buddy, they were sleeper hits, and damn good ones too. The graphics were unique and gameplay innovated and challenged hardcore gamers. If you didn't like them, well, you must have sucked, or never played them. Don't be like a fanboy, play before you hate.
Clover Studios R.I.P!
   by NoZart (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Bad to no research on this article.

Dude, look up on info before you pull a Bush. Severall misinfos here:
Giana Sisters was meant to be a Port of SMB, but got into legal trouble, therefore the sprites where exchanged to safe at least some of the work.

Motionsensing Technology: actually, Nintendo is getting sued over that by some Company who holds the patent for that. Plus nothing new here - I work in science and we use that Technology for years now (search for "inertiacube")

And videogame creativity is not stagnating. It only seems like that because everyone (including the author of that article) are "company - whores" who do not look beyond EA and Sony. IF you would look around, you WOULD find LOTS of VERY creative games released in the last years. Frequenzy, flow, all kenta cho games and so on...


   Re: godfrilla (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » flow??

flow does suck tho dude, pretty basic, should only be a free download

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   Re: Sayenthy (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » fl0w IS free.

It IS free for the PC.
http://just*****inggoogleit.com
   by NoZat (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Too bad for you...

...that you dont get the point. Being creative in gamedesign always means that lots of people "dont get it" - i found ICO rather boring, but i still can respect what the developers achieved there.


   Re: NoZart (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » last i checked...

Flow WAS a free download - the PS3 version is just "milking the cow"

   Re: godfrilla (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » dont get it?


i do get it thanks - posh snake

   Re: NoZart (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Actually

if you would have played longer than 3 minutes, you would have seen theres more to it than only snake. also would help to read jenova chens thesis on it. That game is not meant to be expansive ore complex - it wants to prove a psychological effect - and does so perfectly
   by ROFLCOPTER (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Ok cool

Ok, now, where is the updates on PSP that I came to this site for? If I wanted to read something like this I would have gone to a different site.

   by hey shabba (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » yo shabba...

get ur lasy ass up and do somthin

also i wanted 2 say another thing about the wiis motion sencer crap............what about the krippled kids they cant play that (but who would any way wii is gay) but they can play the ps3

   by YuN (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » ...

Wat do u mean like justin timberlake, he's heavy!

   by Hugh Mann (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Agrees......

Completely agree, attitudes like those in this article are the reason why good games remain on the shelves, passed over for the latest version of FIFA or whatever

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   by Tomo (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Y The Stick

Why Do People Come On Here Looking For An Arguement Were All Having A Friendly Debate/Chat And Some People Come On Here And Piss About, Mate Crippled Children Can Still Play We Have Our Original Gamecube Controllers, You Dont Use Your Legs On The Wii. It Would Be Good To Not Have Fanboys/People Just Pissin About On Here It Really Would.


   Re: lol (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » Y the Caps

lol, dont want to start an arguement, just wondering why you have capital letters at the start of every word in your post?
   by rolly poly (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » um yeah this is just dumb

if you got what you wanted we'd all be playing atari, b/c almost every type of game out today was done long ago.

no one would of bothered to make another system b/c atari already did it.

we wouldn't have books b/c someone already had the idea to put words on pages and put them into a volume.

this blog wouldn't exist b/c someone already had one.

it's not about who does it first, it's about who does it best.

saints row for example, GTA starts a genre and anything else that falls into the genre is automatically a rip-off piece of junk? what kind of idiocy is that?

halo2, that's a rip-off of wolfenstien! i can go on forever here, but i think i've made my point,

   by i hate blind fanboys (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » (see name)

*sigh* see this is what dude was saying. ya'll are bashing Wii because it's new and ya'll can't take the new right?

And fantastic job- pull a Bush huh? Nice one. Now can you give me a joke that hasn't been used more than a million times?

If only I had the money to make a game. Not that I get tired of some of them but considering how many are trying to be similar with different storylines kind of tell you something.

And ya know guys- if it weren't for Nintendo ya wouldn't have some of the lovely games you like. *sigh* how I pity the fools.

   by zanz (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » different versions help different people

i hated pokemon for instance..,.

digimon however... was awesome to me as a kid, lol

same thing goes for saints row, it may be a GTA styl game but it gives something very different than GTA

just like how i hated san andreas... but the first two i loved

oh and who the ***** did terminator rip off?

   by senjutsu - 2006-12-11
 » simple, DONT BUY RIP-OFF

and they'll stop doing other rip-offs...

Oh, and rockstar should sue the rippers... ( A LOT for GTA rippers )

anyway, I'll never buy a rip off, anyway they worth nothing, they always are a crappy version of a success, they think the "features" in the game was the think that was cool. BUT NO! it's the whole that that's cool or not, not it's features damn morons!

   by Agreed (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » FAMILY GUY = VERY GOOD

I do hate games like saints row copying GTA, but how can you call Family Guy a copycat. Of what exactly? The Simpsons maybe, but look at that, every character is based on someone else Homer=Fred Flinstone etc. Yet thats still a great show (maybe not so much now).

Anyway, so what if some games copy others..They don't become classics...the originals do. end of

   by mr man (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » typo

yeh you guys made a typo, loose instead of lose

oh yeh, i loved gta 3 and vice city they got to be the best games ive ever played, then san andreas comes along and 'ghettos' it all up, which i thought was gay. THEN saints row has the cheek to pretty much copy san andreas and call it their own? what a rip, oh ye i think terminator is mint though, apart from thr 3rd film

   by aaa (Unregistered) - 2006-12-11
 » aaa

poor article...just a poor excuse to rant a little about the sixaxis vs wii debate

   by comedy - 2006-12-11
 » oh my god.

listen to me!! i'm doing an MA in game design as we speak!

this is an interesting debate - the games industry would be tiny without it's shameless cash-in games, look at the sims - they did it fine first time around but then made more of it as it sells masses. but then games like ico (whether you like it or not) initially flopped, now that shadow of the colossus is out it's got a little bit more attention, but basically some really innovative and exciting games can do badly due to being different. and that's the consumer's fault, but look at advertising and things, does anyone remember the ads for the prince of persia sands of time? i don't, but i can tell you i can remember the ones for the sequels.
something which is proven to sell well will be remade until it stops selling. gta3 got it right, everything after has been quite derivative, most games have improved on it but ultimately they stem from gta3's lead. what's wrong with that though? in the end you get a game which is fun, maybe familiar but still exciting - just imagine if stephen king's books were all dismissed as bieng 'samey'... poor thing would be destitute.


yes, complain all you like about the lack of originality, but in any medium where a lot of money is involved (books, movies, games ... other things) game makers will play it safe and sell the kind of games people will buy.

something which made me sad was the death of clover studios, the latest viewtiful joe stuff was pretty crud though (i'm still waiting for okami in the uk though!)


if you see a game which is interesting and innovative, and maybe it's going to cost some money, think harder about buying it - you might just be helping to change the industry for the better.

one more thing, the budget for making a game nowadays is well into the millions of dollars range, and no publisher/developer will risk it on something which might not sell any copies... it would be stupid. but unlike movies and things it's hard to make an indie game which can possibly match up against a blockbuster (whereas take blair witch and compare it to some big name film, the only difference is in style, not the quality of the film they use or the fact the people don't look realistic)


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   Re: comedy - 2006-12-11
 » i also think it's funny you slag off family guy

have you seen the latest batch? not funny... just plain crud

but if you want some f'ing good cartoon humour look up the latest southpark series - it's back and funnier than ever... seriously ten times better than family guy
   by xche78x - 2006-12-12
 » rehash trash

and to think we have to pay again to those old games that our parents bought us when we where just kids, just for nostalgia's sake.

i don't mind cloned games as long as they offer better of everything from the original. but if your clone game cant do any better, then just don't release it or cut its price in half.
gta lcs on ps2 did this strategy to justify the cause.



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